Top 10 Remodeling Contractors in Rocky Point, NC

Porch Pro Headshot Boxer Remodeling and Renovations
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
(440)
Porch Pro Headshot East Atlantic Plumbing and Pipe Cleaning
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
At East Atlantic Plumbing we pride ourselves on providing our customers with reasonable pricing, quality workmanship and professional service on every call. We are a local, family owned company and when you work with us, you know you are getting high quality products and exceptional service. Our cer...Read more about East Atlantic Plumbing and Pipe Cleaning
At East Atlantic Plumbing we pride ourselves on providing our customers with reasonable pricing, quality workmanship and professional service on every call. We are a local, family owned company and when you work with us, you know you are getting high quality products and exceptional service. Our cer...Read more about East Atlantic Plumbing and Pipe Cleaning
Porch Pro Headshot Atlantic Coastal Enterprises
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
(47)
Tired of home maintenance year after year? Turn to Atlantic Coastal Enterprises. We offer a variety of residential and commercial home improvement services in Jacksonville, North Carolina. We have been in business for 30 years. When you hire us, we guarantee a hassle-free service with excellent resu...Read more about Atlantic Coastal Enterprises
Tired of home maintenance year after year? Turn to Atlantic Coastal Enterprises. We offer a variety of residential and commercial home improvement services in Jacksonville, North Carolina. We have been in business for 30 years. When you hire us, we guarantee a hassle-free service with excellent resu...Read more about Atlantic Coastal Enterprises
Porch Pro Headshot Geer Renovations Inc
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
(41)
"Project: Build or Replace a Deck or Non-Masonry Porch Professional, courteous, personable and focus on higher standards and exceeding building codes versus merely meeting building codes. They do not try to take a customers money for added projects...they really discuss your needs, make recommendati...Read more about Geer Renovations Inc
"Project: Build or Replace a Deck or Non-Masonry Porch Professional, courteous, personable and focus on higher standards and exceeding building codes versus merely meeting building codes. They do not try to take a customers money for added projects...they really discuss your needs, make recommendati...Read more about Geer Renovations Inc
Porch Pro Headshot RAM Roofing & Remodeling
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
(17)
"These guys were great to work with and did a quality job on my house. On time, professional and extremely knowledgeable. I would recommend them highly and will call them again for any remodeling work or roofing jobs. "
"These guys were great to work with and did a quality job on my house. On time, professional and extremely knowledgeable. I would recommend them highly and will call them again for any remodeling work or roofing jobs. "
Porch Pro Headshot Johnson Home Construction
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
(21)
JHC is a painting and remodeling company founded in 2005 by Tommy and Deanna Johnson. We are focused on providing the best customer service and quality of craftsmanship available to the market. Being a family owned and operated business we have a unique perspective and our approach is different. ...Read more about Johnson Home Construction
JHC is a painting and remodeling company founded in 2005 by Tommy and Deanna Johnson. We are focused on providing the best customer service and quality of craftsmanship available to the market. Being a family owned and operated business we have a unique perspective and our approach is different. ...Read more about Johnson Home Construction
Porch Pro Headshot Kratovel Services
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
(12)
At Kratovel services I am an honest experienced and reliable contractor for all your home repair needs We offer property maintenance for your home or rentals All home repairs and remodeling Repair or replace or redesign your deck or boardwalk to the beach Certified pool operator for maintenance an...Read more about Kratovel Services
At Kratovel services I am an honest experienced and reliable contractor for all your home repair needs We offer property maintenance for your home or rentals All home repairs and remodeling Repair or replace or redesign your deck or boardwalk to the beach Certified pool operator for maintenance an...Read more about Kratovel Services
Porch Pro Headshot Grace Builders Handyman Services
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
(6)
We have been in business over 25 years. Handyman Services,Tile work,stonework,interior &exterior trim ,screen porches and screenporch repair,paint and sheetrock. Call us so we may help you with your home improvement needs. You can also go on our facebook page for more pictures or google us
We have been in business over 25 years. Handyman Services,Tile work,stonework,interior &exterior trim ,screen porches and screenporch repair,paint and sheetrock. Call us so we may help you with your home improvement needs. You can also go on our facebook page for more pictures or google us
Porch Pro Headshot Property Specialist
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
(3)
Property Specialist is a contracting and maintenance company who can help you get your projects done. Whether its changing light bulbs to full kitchen or bathroom remodeling , we can help. Quality and integrity are what my company is based on.If you have something that needs attention please call an...Read more about Property Specialist
Property Specialist is a contracting and maintenance company who can help you get your projects done. Whether its changing light bulbs to full kitchen or bathroom remodeling , we can help. Quality and integrity are what my company is based on.If you have something that needs attention please call an...Read more about Property Specialist
Porch Pro Headshot BuilderPro, LLC.
Remodeling Contractors
Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
When you need quality installation or repair work, look no further than BuilderPro, LLC. As a skilled general contractor in Wilmington, NC, BuilderPro, LLC is at your service for projects large and small. From quick household fixes to major property renovations, BuilderPro, LLC provides thorough, ef...Read more about BuilderPro, LLC.
When you need quality installation or repair work, look no further than BuilderPro, LLC. As a skilled general contractor in Wilmington, NC, BuilderPro, LLC is at your service for projects large and small. From quick household fixes to major property renovations, BuilderPro, LLC provides thorough, ef...Read more about BuilderPro, LLC.

Frequently asked questions about remodeling contractors

The important steps to remember when finding a good local remodeling contractor:

Reviews - Check the contractor’s website and social media to see what their previous clients have said about their home remodeling work.

Past projects - Often, you’ll be able to find pictures of their previous work on their website or social media. If people are really happy with their remodeled home, they often post pictures on social media and then tag the remodeling contractor.

Up-to-date licenses - It would be useful to know what licenses and registration are needed for renovations companies in your state, and then make sure your contractor is up to standard.

Word of mouth - Generally people like to talk, so ask around for recommendations from your friends and neighbors to see if there is a top remodeling contractor in your community. It’s really important to hire someone you can trust, and if they already have a good reputation in your town, you can probably trust that they’ll treat you well too.

Compare prices - You can get a quote from a number of remodeling contractors or renovations companies to see who has the best going rate compared to the best reputation. Check to see how much each is charging for labor vs. the estimated cost of materials for the home remodeling.

Check out this article for more tips on hiring the best remodeling contractor for the job. It has further details on this topic.

Hiring a remodeling contractor can put you in a vulnerable position. Not only are you inviting someone you don’t know into your home, but you’re also allowing them to take your home apart and put it back together.

With this in mind, the following tips are recommended:

  • Have a written contract that outlines all the work to be completed and the pricing.
  • Note any additions to scope that come up as the project progresses, including additional materials and sizing issues.
  • Make sure the contractor is licensed and insured.
  • Ask for referrals and follow them up. Ask previous clients what they have to say about the work, including the quality and price, and whether the remodeling contractor stayed on budget.
  • Pay attention to the contractor’s style of communication and how he/she is able to communicate about the project. Are they willing to discuss details about their progress? Are they willing to be flexible?
  • Get a written estimate from the renovation company or remodeling contractor. Make sure it’s detailed and includes all the supplies needed, the rate per hour of work, and any other factors such as a timeline or special orders.

Depending on the project, you may be required to pay a deposit for the work. According to the National Association of the Remodeling Industry, “Receiving some sort of down payment at signing is a good practice to ensure a customer’s sincere intent to do the project. A payment schedule should be part of the contract language. Typical down payments are 25% to 33%. Sometimes even higher depending on the type of work being done. A down payment is highly recommended when products have to be ordered by the contractor immediately.”

You may be able to negotiate the percentage of the down payment, especially if you have established good communication with them. Ask your remodeling contractor what they expect and work out an agreeable percentage, but never pay the total cost upfront.

While it may be tempting to take on a remodeling project on your own, it's usually wise to hire a professional remodeling contractor for the job. Hiring a pro may save you money down the road because a pro can help you avoid costly mistakes and possible miscalculations. A remodeling contractor will carry liability and workers compensation insurance, which is set up to protect both the homeowner and contractor.

As you consider how to move forward with your home remodeling vision, you’ll have to consider which parts (if any) you can do yourself and what will have to be done professionally. For example, you may know how to paint a room, but don’t have the first clue about drywalling or knocking down a wall. These are things you probably don’t want to just take a swing at yourself.

These are some other issues people sometimes encounter when doing a DIY remodeling of their home:

  • Time — When it comes down to it, you simply don’t have the hours to put toward a home remodeling project.
  • Effort — What sounds simple enough in theory sometimes turns out to be rather laborious, and is no longer worth the DIY bragging rights.
  • Money — You may not save much money with a DIY project because you a) might cause damage, b) may need to redo some of your work, and c) may not get the materials for the same rate as the renovation company.

Having a solid plan up front will make hiring a remodeling contractor well worth your while.

Requirements for contractor licensing vary from state to state. Approximately 35 states require licenses. In some states, requirements for licensing are very lenient, so the licenses might not mean much to the consumer. In other states, a license means the contractor has a good track record.

Make sure licenses are up-to-date when hiring a renovations company or general contractor. Some states require different licensing categories and/or requirements, so it would be wise to read up on those of your state and check to see if your contractor’s license covers the type of work needed. Never hire a remodeling contractor that doesn’t have or can’t produce their license for working in your state, no matter their reason. Most states require that a license be obtained by any remodeling contractor performing work valued over $500.

With a license, the contractor should be up to date on current building codes, safety policies, disposal of hazardous materials, labor and employee hiring, and permitting. If the contractor doesn’t produce the paperwork, you may want to consider going in another direction.

Proof of a license does not always guarantee good work. Other than checking on a remodeling contractor’s license, homeowners should make sure a potential contractor carries liability and workers compensation insurance. Homeowners should scrutinize contractor’s reviews, look at a portfolio of past work, and look into a pro’s local reputation.

There are many factors involved when it comes to hiring a professional home remodeling contractor. Consider variables such as the complexity and size of the space being renovated, the cost and quality of materials, and the number of subcontractors and labor required.

Don’t go by the price itself, however. Though you’ll collect many estimates from remodeling contractors, don’t let price be the deciding factor. If you pay less, you may get less. Beware of any estimates that stand out as being lower (or higher, for that matter) than the rest.

Get several estimates and make sure they’re itemized (time, materials, costs, etc.) so you can compare various quotes. You may find that the higher cost is worth the money.

Some common things that will likely increase the cost of a remodeling contractor:

  • Electrical or plumbing work is involved.
  • The materials are imported.
  • The project is complex (several rooms, a particularly unique design, extra-heavy materials).
  • The time of year. Most people do their renovations in the late spring and summer, making it the season where demand allows for higher rates.

Consult the free Porch project cost guides to get an idea about how much a home renovation project may cost in your area.

The benefits of having one general contractor outweigh any other situation, including you trying to juggle all the different aspects of the project yourself. Hire a general contractor to manage subcontractors and schedule all the work.

There are many different types of contractors based on the kind of labor they’re trained in. For example, there are concrete contractors, HVAC contractors, closet contractors, kitchen contractors, and roofing contractors. Once you determine the specific work that needs to be done for your home remodeling project, you can look for a particular kind of contractor. If you need to remodel a whole room, you can get a contractor specific to that or to the kind of material you’ll be using, like drywall or plaster.

Since different types of contractors can potentially work on your home remodel, having a general contractor to outsource is the best way to go. When subcontractors are bringing on a crew, make sure that it’s a solid team and that everyone is on the same page with costs, materials, and the design of the remodeling vision. Everyone should know their work well and be properly licensed according to your state regulations.

Choosing a local remodeling contractor who knows the best local subcontractors is a smart way to go. Contractors and laborers often collaborate, especially in smaller towns. Making good contracting decisions will ensure that you’ll enjoy both the progress and results of your next home remodeling project. Remember that communication is the key to success. Setting reasonable expectations, establishing a good repertoire, and regularly checking in will lead to a smooth, easy home improvement project.

Recent reviews for Rocky Point Remodeling Contractors

153286

streaks; paint drippings; inconsistent coverage

- Melissa Reeder
107952

Date of installation should have read June of 2017.

- Alan Stein
49825

Ram roofing is by far the most professional company I've dealt with. They are my first choice when it comes to my roofing, gutters, and remodeling needs. Having using them for all those needs I can say I couldn't be happier with the work, price, and quick...

- Paul Barnette
47389

Ram roofing did a wonderful job on my roofing and new gutters. I was very pleased with the entire process, the job was kept clean, and my needs were always met. I would recommend Ram roofing and remodeling to anyone who wants a quality job done in a timel...

- Brian Head
36111

Horrible crooked contractors. They're work is below bottom dollar quality. Jack leg group from Ney York as a father son team. Work is below par, they never fix what they broke on their installs. After this review, they will call porch.com and explain I am...

- Franklin Oldham
46734

Very professional. Great work. Work was done in a timely manner. Ed and the guys are awesome. I would definitely recommend them to anyone that needs some remodeling work done or if they in the market for a new roof. Metal roofs? No problem. Call them up!

- John Rutter
47377

Great company! Very well run, professional, reliable and they do quality work. I highly recommend them!

- Leeann Topping
58107

I had a three year old metal roof that was leaking and the original roofer had disappeared. Ed came out on a Saturday and gave us the estimate for the repairs we needed and for the installation of new seamless gutters and downspouts. Ed kept in contact w...

- YVETTE LARDO
65952

Ram Roofing was the 4th roofer I called. I had problems with people not showing up to complete the repair. Ram Roofing gave me a very reasonable estimate and came to complete the repair the next day. We have not had any problems or leaks since. Highly...

- Jaime Bigham
147748

RAM Roofing installed a new roof on our home that, after 8 months, developed leaks. After leaving several unreturned voicemail messages, his voicemail was full. He NEVER bothered to call us back. I would NEVER use his services again.

- Jenny Petri
107942

We had Ram Roofing and Remodeling install gutters and gutter guards in July of 2016. Ed, the owner of Ram suggested we not lower the downspouts, but if we needed to, he told us to call him. It is now going on 8 months that we have contacted him to lower t...

- Alan Stein
83518

ACE was contracted with us to replace the siding on our house in Wilmington, NC. They had done work for others in our neighborhood with good reviews. We gave Brian a deposit (foolishly) and never saw him again. No work was completed, no money refunded, ju...

- bill greene

Everything You Need to Know About Rocky Point Remodeling Contractors

Can I browse unscreened Remodeling Contractors in Rocky Point?

We do our best to screen all of our remodeling contractors. However, there are still some remodeling contractor professionals in Rocky Point that have not been pre-screened. This means that their licenses may not be up to date to operate in Rocky Point or NC. Always be sure to pre-screen them yourself before hiring. Here are some unscreened professionals offering remodeling contractors:

  • Garry Baylies:
    • Active/Verified License: No, current status is inactive
  • Ingram Bros., Inc.:
    • BBB Rating: A
    • Active/Verified License: No, current status is inactive
  • Porch Conversion:
    • BBB Rating: A+
    • Active/Verified License: No, current status is inactive

Remodeling Contractors isn’t exactly what I’m looking for. Are there more specific services similar to remodeling contractors available in Rocky Point?

If you’ve determined that remodeling contractors are not quite what you were looking for, or if you had a specific project in mind that is similar to remodeling contractors, we can still help you find the right professional in Rocky Point.

Rocky Point has 50 remodeling contractor professionals that can help you with your remodeling contractors job. Head to our Pros Page to find specific remodeling contractors-pros in Rocky Point.

Who should I hire if I need Remodeling Contractors in Rocky Point?

Right now there are about 50 companies in and around Rocky Point ready to help you with your remodeling contractors project.

    Below we've listed a few of the top Remodeling Contractors on Porch:

    All Remodeling Contractors in Rocky Point, NC

    Porch Pro Headshot Lazzari Construction Inc
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    (10)
    As a full general contractor, Lazzari Construction can build your plan, help you find the perfect plan or design a fully custom one to fit your lifestyle. We can also do renovations and remodeling for existing homes. We are fully licensed and insured, giving you the peace of mind you need as you beg...Read more about Lazzari Construction Inc
    As a full general contractor, Lazzari Construction can build your plan, help you find the perfect plan or design a fully custom one to fit your lifestyle. We can also do renovations and remodeling for existing homes. We are fully licensed and insured, giving you the peace of mind you need as you beg...Read more about Lazzari Construction Inc
    Porch Pro Headshot B&R subcontractors
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    (1)
    We are a new company but we work hard to make our customer happy all our work is Guaranteed and we do complete job management from start to finish top to bottom at B&R we put Quality first to ensure the job is done right
    We are a new company but we work hard to make our customer happy all our work is Guaranteed and we do complete job management from start to finish top to bottom at B&R we put Quality first to ensure the job is done right
    Porch Pro Headshot Cavenaugh Home Improvement
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    (6)
    Interior Trim, Decks, Remodeling
    Interior Trim, Decks, Remodeling
    Porch Pro Headshot Artisan Kitchen and Bath Remodeling
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    (5)
    Full service, turn key kitchen and bathroom renovation firm and general contractor. In house interior design service and material selection assistance. Small to large scale renovations. Custom cabinet fabrication and installation, tile floors, tile showers, tile backsplash, interior trim work an...Read more about Artisan Kitchen and Bath Remodeling
    Full service, turn key kitchen and bathroom renovation firm and general contractor. In house interior design service and material selection assistance. Small to large scale renovations. Custom cabinet fabrication and installation, tile floors, tile showers, tile backsplash, interior trim work an...Read more about Artisan Kitchen and Bath Remodeling
    Porch Pro Headshot Watson Custom Floors
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    Floor covering installation specialist, now serving NE Florida providing commercial and residentialresidential installation and renovation to ensure our customer's satisfaction with over thirty-five years experience.
    Floor covering installation specialist, now serving NE Florida providing commercial and residentialresidential installation and renovation to ensure our customer's satisfaction with over thirty-five years experience.
    Porch Pro Headshot Southern repair company
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    Southern repair company specializes in all interior and exterior repair and installation, From paint, vinyl siding, roofing, drywall, tile flooring, hardwood flooring, carpet, fencing, tree and brush removal, porches and decks, landscaping.
    Southern repair company specializes in all interior and exterior repair and installation, From paint, vinyl siding, roofing, drywall, tile flooring, hardwood flooring, carpet, fencing, tree and brush removal, porches and decks, landscaping.
    Porch Pro Headshot Roberts’ Home Improvements
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    We are a family owned company since 1991. We specialize in residential and commercial maintenance , repairs, and remodeling in Wilmington and the surrounding areas. We provide services 7 days a week. We provide repairs for real estate closings, storm related damage, general maintenance, and emergen...Read more about Roberts’ Home Improvements
    We are a family owned company since 1991. We specialize in residential and commercial maintenance , repairs, and remodeling in Wilmington and the surrounding areas. We provide services 7 days a week. We provide repairs for real estate closings, storm related damage, general maintenance, and emergen...Read more about Roberts’ Home Improvements
    Porch Pro Headshot Re-Bath of the Triangle- Raleigh
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    Whether you need a simple bathtub replacement or a complete bathroom remodel, Re-Bath of the Triad offers designer quality at affordable prices. We're the Koehler Family and we've remodeled over 12,500 bathrooms in the past 18 years. Our design consultant will bring the samples to you so you can sho...Read more about Re-Bath of the Triangle- Raleigh
    Whether you need a simple bathtub replacement or a complete bathroom remodel, Re-Bath of the Triad offers designer quality at affordable prices. We're the Koehler Family and we've remodeled over 12,500 bathrooms in the past 18 years. Our design consultant will bring the samples to you so you can sho...Read more about Re-Bath of the Triangle- Raleigh
    Porch Pro Headshot Omni Restoration Inc.
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    At Omni Restoration we pride ourself in doing it right the first time. We are a turn key Commercial and Residential renovations company. Kitchens and Baths are our specialty but we also offer other services such as, Seamless Gutters, Exterior Siding and Trim, Decks, Pressure Washing, Porch and Patio...Read more about Omni Restoration Inc.
    At Omni Restoration we pride ourself in doing it right the first time. We are a turn key Commercial and Residential renovations company. Kitchens and Baths are our specialty but we also offer other services such as, Seamless Gutters, Exterior Siding and Trim, Decks, Pressure Washing, Porch and Patio...Read more about Omni Restoration Inc.
    Porch Pro Headshot Porch Conversion
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    (122)
    Porch Pro Headshot Wilmington Contracting, Inc
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    Serving the Cape Fear Region and beyond. We are full service general contractors, local and experienced. Let us help you with your home improvement projects, large or small. Renovations, remodels and upgrades, room additions or finishes, repair work from major to minor, pre-listing punch list...Read more about Wilmington Contracting, Inc
    Serving the Cape Fear Region and beyond. We are full service general contractors, local and experienced. Let us help you with your home improvement projects, large or small. Renovations, remodels and upgrades, room additions or finishes, repair work from major to minor, pre-listing punch list...Read more about Wilmington Contracting, Inc
    Porch Pro Headshot Jay A Eagle Installations, LLC
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    professional installation contractor for the following cabinets Hardwood flooring Laminate flooring Ceramic tile flooring and Showers stair remodeling, new treads and risers
    professional installation contractor for the following cabinets Hardwood flooring Laminate flooring Ceramic tile flooring and Showers stair remodeling, new treads and risers
    Porch Pro Headshot J. Serens Construction
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    Porch Pro Headshot Blue Heron Developers, Inc.
    Remodeling Contractors
    Serves Rocky Point, North Carolina
    Blue Heron Developers, Inc., is a general contractor primarily servicing Eastern North Carolina. From cleaning and painting, to repairs and remodeling, we've got your property maintenance needs covered.
    Blue Heron Developers, Inc., is a general contractor primarily servicing Eastern North Carolina. From cleaning and painting, to repairs and remodeling, we've got your property maintenance needs covered.

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    Wood Burning Fireplace Installation
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    Type of fireplace to install
    Wood burning
    Fireplace or stove
    Brick or stone masonry fireplace
    New installation or replacement
    Replace or alter an existing fireplace
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    Residential Renovation
    Start Date
    Within a week
    Project type
    Restore, renovate or repair home damage
    Renovation project type
    Update or restore home to original condition
    Interior or exterior renovation
    Both
    Extent of renovation
    The whole home
    Rooms to renovate
    The building was a barbershop previously. Need to bring up to code as a residential home.
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    Complete renovations
    Home siding type
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    Approximate home square footage
    1000-2000 sq ft
    Number of stories tall
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    Filing an insurance claim
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    Deck Construction
    Start Date
    I'm flexible
    Project type
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    Type of remodeling project
    Remodel home exterior
    Any structural changes
    Add a patio or porch covering, Convert a patio or porch to a sun room
    Replace siding or trim
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    Exterior painting
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    Add or update porch, patio or deck
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    Landscaping updates
    No
    Update or build patio, deck or porch
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    Extent of design prep
    Yes, I have sketches and a basic idea of what I want
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    Start Date
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    Residential Remodeling
    Start Date
    Within a month
    Project type
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    Type of remodeling project
    Build a permanent roof over our patio. Cement slab existing.
    Extent of design prep
    Yes, I have sketches and a basic idea of what I want